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@Rankmoistmeat Swans in their No Wave days weren't pretentious at all though.

@copingwithdowns I met her once, she was actually pretty nice.

Teenage Jesus were the only No Wave band that weren't a 100% pretentious and crappy.

@fasolplanetarium Oh Lydia Lunch is for sure as a person an idiot...No doubt about it.

no wave has great jazz avante garde music concepts i figured them out along time ago actually wait till you here the new WE

hendrix was involved in music long before Lou Reed became a hired songwriter he clearly is nd was a pop songwriter despite his claims of being avant-garde hendrix did more in 3 years than Lou had done during his entire career w/ the velvets so they did Sister Ray that wld mean something had i not known of the Fluxus movement not 2 mention Cage et al nd Lou's solo career is hysterically inconsisnt, w/ Lou sitting out guitar duties do 2 w/e hendrix nd reed were both popular with college age demos

@hashfromplan9 Lou Reed (w/ the Velvets) & Hendrix released their 1st albums the same year. Besides, Lou was a little more atonal than Hendrix I believe, but two different scenes & artists anyway.

@davepx-No Wave is actually very backward looking. The beatnik bands like the one Debbie Harry and Charlie Nothing were involved in in 1966 did the same thing. You can also mention the noise experiments of the early Velvet Underground. So the idea that this is new has never seemed valid and seems like special pleading. What it reflects is the beatnik mentality that permeated the entire punk scene. These bands were capable of decent music when they tried.

@copingwithdowns In a way I agree. Teenage Jesus was no doubt a good band, but it only emerges from the rest of the No Wave bands because it was one of the four on Eno's No New York compilation. Suicide, DNA, James Chance and even MARS surpass Teenage Jesus in almost every regard. Lydia Lunch also tends to complain a lot about things that she hasn't thought through very well too. I like the music, but some of her ideologies are undeniably uneducated and plain stupid.

@bezgin So there can only be one new thing at a time? Yeah, VU was indeed incredibly innovative. So was Neu! and krautrock in its entirety. This doesn't render No Wave a redundant genre. According to your logic, VU and Neu! and Can et al were nothing new because, oh, you know, there's Tchaikovsky and Buddy Holly and stuff.

It's interesting that 'No Wave' would probably have never been known as a constituted genre were it not for Eno producing No New York. Then again, No New York also kind of started the end of No Wave.

@Guttersaint Agreed. Lydia Lunch lived in an abandoned apartment building and took showers once a week at her friend's apartment after she ran away to NY with 200 dollars at 14 and lived with James Chance in a tiny dump of an apartment.

Bradley FIeld! Now there was a guy who knew how to have fun!

I think for anyone coming to this new-ish it's very difficult to appreciate just how shocking they were all those years ago (you need Lydia in full voice for the full onslaught). Even after punk and its offshoots, to me they remain the most scarring listening (in the best possible way) of a time when conventions were being challenged left, right & centre. Maybe they were a dead end, because there was nowhere else to take it: it just needed doing and they did it to unsurpassable effect.

@sansfutur Yeah, plus those were anomalous. No Wave was the first time an entire community rejected conventional notions of melody and grasped at similar concepts.

No Wave was one of those interesting episodes, but it was a dead end. It's fine to try and do away with conventions in music, but there is a reason that those conventions exist. These bands were so focused on making an "artistic" statement that they failed to make quality music. Being able to create a good song is a much greater artistic achievement than making noise on your own private island. When something is that self-defeating it's impossible to even admire its spirit.

the only people that really have something new to say musically, are those born deaf, no wave fails in its quest because the rhythm is no where near new or unique as for the harmony, well no i haven't heard very many professional using using this style but i've heard hundreds of the untrained playing shit just like this. Still i do like the noise they make, even if i don't find the message all that new or unique

Fucking German cunts.

bezgin is not making a good case for himself. those records you mentioned sound nothing like the no wave records unless you are so ignorant that you think all noisy records sound the same.

DNA sounds like VU? gimme a break. bezgin is a moron.

@sansfutur Definetely! thumbs up!

@solwolfpunk nice noise

@MikoSquiz Crock of shit

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